by Thea Klincov and Sophie Verba

Have you ever contemplated the way elegance and beauty serve as guiding lights for artists navigating the intricate pathways of their craft? What is it that weaves the tapestry of art into the very fabric of life, creating a profound celebration of the human experience?
Join us in a candid discourse that transcends the confines of a typical interview. Thea Klincov and Sophie Verba, both accomplished artists and kindred spirits born under the sign of Libra, embark on an artistic journey that mirrors the essence of our humanity.
As they engage in this conversation, they unveil the enduring significance of elegance and beauty in the world of art, evoking the spirits of artists who have left indelible marks on history. With a keen eye on the technical, they explore the evolution of their styles and creative processes.

THEA KLINCOV (TK): Let’s talk about elegance and beauty.

I was starting to say that, for me, even more than the elegance and beauty that permeates art (though not always), in recent years, art has become more of a tool to make a difference in the world. It’s not just art for the sake of art, although some people do create that way. Personally, I cannot say this resonates with me as much. I’ve always been drawn to visual arts, photography, and similar forms of expression, but I’ve always had the question, “What’s the point? Why am I creating this?”

Sure, it looks pretty, but then what? Now, I’ve come to the realization that everyone in the world has some skill or something they can offer. For me, it’s the ability to create things visually, and I want to put that skill to use to make a positive impact, a positive difference. Since I started doing this, I no longer ask myself, “What’s the point?” So, I believe I’m on the right path.

SOPHIA VERBA (SV): Beautiful, beautiful. I think it’s a common conflict in art – whether it’s just about beauty or if it carries a message. And what kind of message can be conveyed through art? How can it make a difference and an impact? There might be different kinds of art, and some people might be satisfied with creating art solely for its beauty. But there’s another level, another way of using art as a vehicle for dialogue and making an impact on the world. Perhaps the moment comes when an artist stops creating solely for themselves and starts creating to share and awaken something in others.

For me, art is deeply spiritual, a means of channeling one’s inner self through a particular medium, whether it’s music, photography, or visual art. It’s like composing something within yourself, putting it into a form that holds your energy, beliefs, and values, and presenting it to others in a way that they can understand. People are interested in the artist behind the art; it’s about revealing the being behind the creation.

TK: Absolutely. For a piece of art, very few people may relate to it. I mean, on social media, if you post a highly artistic and beautiful photo that you’re proud of, thinking the composition is amazing, you often find that almost no one will understand or take the time to look at it in detail. But when you speak about yourself and your experiences, more people will be interested and relate. People relate more to the actions we take, I believe.

SV: It’s like appreciating the art for its beauty, and then wondering what’s behind it, who the artist is, what values they hold, and what life experiences brought them to create that piece.

TK: True. Context is so important even in art history. Take Van Gogh, for example.

SV: I like Van Gogh too.

TK: His artworks are beautiful, but they take on a whole different meaning when you understand the context of their creation. When you know more about his life and struggles, it adds a deeper layer of meaning to his art. At least, that’s how I see it. How about you?

SV: I completely agree. I also think of Salvador Dali, an expressive character in art history. I’d like to touch on the idea that art can be a way to express inner struggles, but it can also connect to something greater, like the realm of ideas, and channel something beyond the self. Artists should be able to become a channel for these experiences and let the personality step aside, allowing something greater, something divine, to express through them. Once you channel and share it with others, they can feel something profound in their hearts.

TK: Probably, when artists create while in that state of flow or channeling, the entire piece of art carries that vibration and frequency. That’s why it can impact people positively, transform them, or lead them to a state of catharsis where they find healing and cleansing.

SV: Exactly. And it’s extremely important for an artist who wants to convey this kind of messages, to be able to put their ego aside, and their personality aside to kind of merge themselves with that what they experience, with the Creator, have a sense of something greater which underlies all our human experience, and which also connects us all together. And give the sense of that to people. The artist’s role is not just about being admired but inspiring people to do the same, to show that they can create as well. Anyone can express themselves through any medium they choose.

TK: I can sense your interest in art therapy. Maybe you can tell us more about it, especially since you’re getting educated in the field and want to provide it for others.

SV: Art therapy is a powerful tool to connect with the subconscious mind, especially for children who may not communicate their inner world as clearly as adults do. Art therapy allows us to access the subconscious and uncover repressed emotions or thoughts that the conscious mind cannot reach. There are various tools for art therapy, but the basis is tapping into the subconscious to aid healing and work through trauma.

TK: Are you already practicing art therapy or working toward it?

SV: I’m in the process of transitioning from the field of art to the field of transpersonal psychology, bridging the two through art therapy and dream work. Art for the sake of beauty wasn’t enough for me, and I had this inner conflict. I wanted to use my skills to make a deeper impact.

TK: In the context of art therapy and purposeful creativity, do you think art is synonymous with elegance?

SV: That’s a good question. I wouldn’t say that art is always elegant.
It could be. But if we look through the context of expressing the inner world, it could take different forms and different expressions. But, I would say the feeling of being inspired is very much related to beauty and elegance and the subtle nature of our being in this sense. What do you think?

TK:  It’s a matter of subjectivity. Some things are almost universally considered elegant or beautiful, but it also depends on the source of inspiration and the energy put into the artwork.

SV: Exactly. It’s all about what you infuse into your artwork.

TK: The effect it has on people depends on whether it comes from a place of trauma or a place of lightness.

SV: Precisely.

TK: I have always had a deep appreciation for the work of Kandinsky. Even before I knew who he was or understood the concept of abstract art, I was drawn to his creations. I couldn’t quite explain why, I just liked them. Later on, as I learned more about his theories on colors and shapes, and how they convey different frequencies and moods when combined, I realized that his art had a universal appeal. Even if someone knows nothing about art or his theories, they can feel the impact of his work.

SV: Yes, Kandinsky’s work is all about vibration, frequency, light, colors, and shapes. We perceive visual art through all our senses, not just our eyes. Our heart’s response to art is an amalgamation of the information collected from the artwork and the symbolism of each color and shape. This happens much faster than we can consciously analyze. Colors and shapes carry archetypal symbols with their unique meanings. So, our immediate response to art is based on the sensations it evokes in us.

TK: Absolutely, and I wanted to bring up an artist who perfectly embodies elegance and beauty on all levels, Gustav Klimt. His use of shapes and real gold in his paintings is, for me, the epitome of beauty. When you look at his art, something inside you is bound to change.

SV: Klimt’s famous artwork “The Kiss” is filled with tenderness and conveys a myriad of emotions. Many feelings could be conveyed through art.

TK: It’s interesting that all these accomplished artists seem to possess a mix of talent, intuition, and hard work.

SV: This raises an interesting question: Is it a matter of talent, one’s innate depth, a connection to a source, hard work, or a combination of all these factors?

TK: I believe it’s a combination of everything. What’s your take on it?

SV: I think we are born with seeds of different talents, and the seeds that receive our attention are the ones that grow. Both natural talents and efforts play a role in nurturing our skills. Every person has multiple seeds, and what they choose to focus on will develop. Talent can grow with effort and the light of attention.

TK: I can relate to that.

SV: But do you think that every person has a gift or potential in some way?

TK: It’s hard to say. I think everyone has the potential to develop a skill in something, but it depends on what they choose to focus on. I try not to overthink it because there are so many important things to do. The concept of karma and ancestral connections makes it even more complex. Having a clear path and purpose can help navigate this complexity.

SV: How do you see the connection between art and spirituality? How does one’s spiritual journey intersect with their artistic nature?

TK: It’s a complex question. The spiritual power of art depends on the artist’s source of inspiration. Even art created during meditation or in the form of mandalas or fractals carries deep spirituality and meaning. The kind of work I do, such as creating videos for humanitarian causes, also has a spiritual aspect. It uplifts people, brings smiles, and supports meaningful missions, and that, too, is a form of spirituality. It’s about humanity.

SV: When art becomes a mission, it doesn’t necessarily have to be beautiful or elegant as long as it serves the primary goal.

TK: Yes, sometimes humor can be even more powerful than beauty.

SV: Humor, especially when you can laugh at yourself, is profoundly spiritual. Ultimately, everything is spiritual; energy permeates everything.

TK: At a certain level, when you look at things, everything is beautiful, and it’s a matter of vibration and frequency, each expressing its own unique beauty.

SV: Maybe the beauty is in everything, and it’s about the different vibrations and frequencies it carries.

TK: I also wanted to talk about our collaboration and the time we spent together in Egypt, as the editors of The Awakening Times magazine suggested. The workshop with Kareem had a profound impact on my art and creativity. His art always carries a message and a purpose, which makes it even more meaningful.

SV: Kareem is a perfect example of someone who combines purpose and beauty in his art. He inspires others and has a great sense of humor. And he loves poetry.

TK: Kareem’s insights during that workshop were invaluable. He made us realize that we live in an era of digital art, where everyone can take photos and share them. The challenge now is in curating all this art, blending different elements together to convey a message.

SV: That workshop in Fayum was a turning point for me too. It led me to explore videography, photography, and poetry in my art. It was a meaningful experience.

TK: Yes, we should extend our gratitude to Kareem and Fayum Art Centre. It was a transformative week.

SV: We only have two minutes left, so if you’d like to summarize or add a concluding statement?

TK: The editors mentioned the possibility of featuring a gallery of our selected artworks. Perhaps we can also showcase some of the artists we discussed, including Kareem, and share some of our own works.

SV: That sounds like a great idea. We can include pictures from our time in Egypt. Do you remember how we ended up there?

TK: I think you asked me if I wanted to go to Egypt with you because it was winter, and you wanted to visit a hot place.

SV: Yes, it was during a pandemic, and we needed a more open and culturally rich place to explore. Egypt turned out to be a beautiful and life-changing experience.

TK: For me too, it was indeed a remarkable journey.

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