This interview was done as part of the Inspiring Lives program series by Early Birds Club
Dr. Sam Osmanagich is the discoverer of the Bosnian pyramids, archaeologist, scientist, humanitarian, founder of the Archaeological Park Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation.
Dr. Sam Osmanagich we have seen that recently you had a lot of activity; the number one in tennis Novak Djokovic, visited the Bosnian Pyramids, a lot of positivity, a lot of beautiful news. How did you discover the Bosnian pyramids? Tell us a bit more how it all started.
15 years back in April of 2005, I first came to the small Bosnian town of Visoko. I came to visit the local museum, and I saw this; everybody calls it a natural hill, but it had four sides; triangular faces, four corners. And even though it was covered by soil vegetation and the forest, I took a compass and the compass showed me that those four sides perfectly match the cardinal points east, west, north and south. And for 25 years before that, I had been researching pyramids all over the planet. You know how they taught us that pyramids are built only in Egypt and Mexico and that the Egyptian pyramids were built as tombs for Pharaohs. Well, that's wrong. Pyramids have been built all around the planet on all six continents. Probably I'm the person who has visited and investigated most of them; from 250 BC Pyramids in China, Koh Ker pyramids in Cambodia, pyramids in Indonesia, Australia, Sudan, Egypt, Canary Islands, Mauritius, Peru, Bolivia, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, The USA, Spain, Greece and finally Bosnia; most of them are really covered by solid vegetation, just like in Bosnia. I started preliminary research, archaeological digging, geological core drilling and finally, I wrote the book about the discovery of first pyramids in Europe. I established a non-profit foundation for archaeological research. In the last 15 years, it has become the most active archaeological site in the world. Hundreds of volunteers come every year in Bosnia, so far 3500 of them, and they discover with us the oldest concrete blocks from the Bosnian pyramids; the oldest and most extensive underground tunnel network older than 30,000 years, artefacts, energy measurements are showing us that pyramids have benefits to human health. They have very specific frequencies which improve the molecular structure of the water, food, our immunity and they help us to develop our spiritual abilities. This place has become much more than an archaeological site; we have the energy aspect; we have the spiritual aspect; we have the healing aspect.
You just mentioned the world tennis player number one, Novak Djokovic, who spent three full days with me. Imagine, the number one athlete in the world, not training, but he was with me. And he's very well known as the man who practices meditation. He said, of all the places he visited in the world, this is the strongest place for meditation. This is in his words: “If there is a paradise in the world, this is it!” Why? Because we are so open. This is the most open project in the world. Everyone is welcome, and everyone can join us.
Who built these pyramids, which are 30,000 to 50,000 years old?
In archaeology, we have five questions.
The First one is what. What is this? In our case, it's a pyramid complex.
The second one is Who? Who built it? Well, we haven't found that particular artifact that will describe the builders, but we know that there are very advanced civilizations. They could manipulate with the millions of tonnes of material. They could build a network of tunnels, at least 100 kilometers in length. They know static; they know thermodynamics.
The third question is When? Based on radiocarbon dating, it is about 30,000 years old, which is history-changing. They've been teaching us the first one was Sumer 7000BC, next Babylon, Assyria, ancient Egypt, ancient India, and ancient China. But as we all know, it's 10s and 10s of thousands of years.
The fourth question is How? In the case of Bosnian Pyramids of the sun, we've been discovering the oldest and best quality concrete on the planet.
The fifth question is Why? Pyramids are energy machines, producing very specific frequencies, beneficial for our health. You can use them for the communication, improve water and food, immunity, our spirituality, our auric field is getting continuous, much stronger; our chakras are seven in number; they're coming back to balance, they are much more open, so energy can flow freely through them. So I would say the pyramid energy had many functions beneficial to us.
Could you please share with us the physical, spiritual and overall benefits of visiting the Bosnian Pyramids and the underground tunnels?
We measure everything we do. For example, we have measured the best electromagnetic field in the pyramids, in the tunnels; the best ultrasound frequency - 28 kilohertz; it's known as the levitation frequency because people feel like that! We measured extremely low frequency of 7.83 hertz. In science, it is called the Schumann Resonance. This frequency brings us back into the balance; we can measure the absence of harmful cosmic radiation; very low concentration of underground radioactivity; basically no radioactivity. So without these bad, harmful radiations, our body cells can start doing their main job and it is regeneration, solving the problems of our body. And finally, we have the absence of radiation, which brings us our mobile phones, cell phones, and internet or Wi-Fi; so, nothing worse when you enter the tunnels. For the first time in your life, you are completely secure and safe. One element and it's called the negative ions will be so important for the future of humanity. Why? Negative ions, extra electrons in the air, if the concentration is more than 1000 of them, per cubic centimetre, it's a healing level.
For example, our homes, apartments, have 20 to 50 negative ions per cubic centimetre. We go to downtown, to big cities about 150, by the rivers - 500, on top of the mountains, in the nature Pine Tree Woods - 1000, in the Bosnian pyramid tunnels 20,000 to 60,000. In other words, it's 50 times healthier to visit Bosnian pyramid tunnels than to be on the top of the mountains. Why is it healthier? Because the negative ions- they clean the atmosphere, they connect with the dust and pollen, they go on the floor; they raise the level of oxygen in our body so that the body can produce more and they kill viruses, bacteria and fungi 99.9%.
Today, with the corona pandemic, viruses are becoming so important. So what we offer instead of using mediaeval techniques such as hiding in the homes, we are saying, “Let's be proactive. Come to the tunnels, clean your body from the viruses with negative ions and let us strengthen our immunity, go to the forest, go to nature!” That is the best way to fight viruses and everything else. Now, we have seen so many beautiful examples of people with the high blood pressure, lowering it, of people with the high sugar in the blood coming to the normal levels, people with the pains, even people with the tumours and cancers, having sensational recoveries. So the builders of the ancient pyramids knew that our health is one of the most precious reasons to build such huge structures.
How many days would one need to be in the tunnels or in the forest, to be sure that we are virus-free? I feel this is a very relevant topic for today at this time of the Corona pandemic.
Because we have such a huge, such a high level of concentration negative ions, the moment you get inside those negative ions, they start work on your body, and they clear it. People come and let's say for example they are sneezing, they have a cold, or they come with influenza, even one visit can help to relieve them completely. Those that come with really big problems, tumours and so on, come and stay in Visoko for a week, go to the tunnels twice a day, one hour each, and they can see a huge improvement, but then, it is individualistic. And we always say we don't actually do the healing; we don't give medical guarantees. We are in archaeology; we let you do all kinds of scientific measurements that can explain such beneficial aspects.
There are many sceptics, who don't believe in the project. Some of them do show up here. They don't listen to our guys; you know, they're in a bad mood and when they get out of the tunnels, they are in an even worse mood. Why? Because the pyramid energy amplifies what we bring with us. If we are coloured with negative energy, we're going to get more of it. But if we are open-minded, if we have a love for the whole world, that feeling will be amplified even more.
As you mention there are many sceptics. People talk about a lot of things about everybody. One question is about your tenacity and perseverance, to fight for what you believe in. This is something all teens should learn. How can the youth imbibe these values?
Thank you for that question. You go to some non-scientific websites like Wikipedia, which is fully controlled for at least 20% of its most delicate content, and the Bosnian pyramids are part of that. You can read that the Bosnian Pyramids are a pseudo-archaeological, pseudo-scientific project, they are no pyramids, just geological formations. You can hear some of the lesser National Geographic stories saying, “Oh! There is nothing there; Osmanagic is digging tunnels.” You can hear some guys saying, “Osmanagic is shaping huge hills in the shape of the pyramid”. Well, thank you very much.
People know that this is such a huge discovery, which will change everything forever. And it is not under the control of the elites, rather that of a small, non-profit non-government foundation. And the truth is our only lead and pathway. Tens of thousands of people who come every year, they realised that the pyramids are real; the tunnels are real; I don't dig them. They've been there for tens of thousands of years. The very specific frequencies are real because you can measure them. And the very specific influence on us physically, spiritually, energetically, is real. Those pyramids have been here for tens of thousands of years. They will be here for thousands of years after we are gone. So why don't we use our short lifespan and try to learn something from the ancients? You ask me about perseverance and so on. Well yes! When you know that you have something so valuable; when you know that the scientific arguments are on your side, when you know that you are after a noble goal, why wouldn't you fulfill your dreams?
Why would you say that the ancients (between 30 or 50,000 years ago) built the pyramids in Bosnia; what do you feel was the main reason they built it?
There are many reasons. But the main reason the pyramids are also a communication device. So the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun is the biggest pyramid on the planet. It generates an energy beam, which is electrical in nature. 28 kilohertz, it's 4.5 metre radius expands to 20 metres, going back to 4.5. These are so-called Tesla’s Scalar waves, they travel quicker than the speed of light. And they are an ideal medium for energy transfer and information transfer. So the communication in the universe on a large scale was probably the most important reason why the pyramids were built.
Bosnia is known for its humour, art, warmth of the heart and it's really shown in its best light in the Bosnian pyramids. Dr. Semir and his team honored Mohanji by naming a special stone as Mohanji stone. Maybe you can share more about that.
Yes, gladly and you are right! In the first part you said that the people in Bosnia, the people in the Balkans welcome everyone. When they come to do our sites, our park and facilities, people can do so for free. They can enjoy our installation, the park for free. We want to bring this feeling of freedom back to the people! With the Mohanji Foundation, which is really our partner organisation; they have been coming for years and they meet here and in India. Even some other Indian gurus bring their group; they meet with the Mohanji group, hundreds of people hear the same mission, the spread of friendship throughout the world, vegetarianism, the spirituality, the meditation. People – When you come, you make this place alive! People from Bosnia, have different ethnic backgrounds, different religions; but everyone is on the same mission here. We have our common ground when it comes to spirituality. And, indeed in the tunnels, there are several very interesting places, chambers for meditation, different blocks that emit the energy and then there is a special stone where the concentration of the negative ion is the highest has been named as “Mohanji Stone” and you're right, it's a special place; people who come close their eyes and they can feel the energy flowing. They become one with the tunnels, which is a living organism and the pyramids too.
Archaeological park; the way you have envisioned the Park, the entrance piece, the outside Park, the purpose of that, can talk a bit more about that? You could have exploited this opportunity in many ways. On the contrary, you have kept it so open.
We have started the project as the archaeological project - digging. We expanded it to different scientific disciplines. It was not enough. We got energy aspects. It was not enough. The effects of energy on our spirituality. It was not enough. We went to explore the healing aspects. And that was not enough. Those were five aspects.
We started buying properties nearby, muddy, neglected and with a lot of trash. 100,000 square meters was transformed into the most beautiful park in Europe, with beautiful energy installations, stone circles, a labyrinth of love, energy purification, health botanical garden; we're going to build a pyramid and we call it the Green Crystal Pyramid. We built a conference hall which we give for free to everyone who wants to come and hold their meetings and seminars. We have beautiful walking and hiking trails. We invite everyone to come. This is a stress-free zone! As I said, “We are born free.” We want people to feel this freedom again. Everywhere you go, you are told, ”You can't do this, you can’t do that. According to the law, it's forbidden.” You come to our place, you are in heaven. We want people to feel that, to spread that and based on their abilities, to go to their places and do something similar or even something different that will help us to feel human again.
Can you share a bit more about relevant information during this Corona lockdown, in terms of the park that you mentioned and breathing in the forest? What would be your recommendation to people who are in the lockdown at the moment? All of us are, without a choice!
During the spring and now, summer of 2020, we kept working in the park, adding some installations, making it beautiful, maintaining it. We even built hiking trails, which we call, ‘Hiking Trail the pyramid’. It is 5.5 kilometres in length, it's going through the pine tree forest, it is a beautiful walk. Once people get into the forest, they feel differently. Why? You know how the viruses attack us; they also attack the trees. The pine trees generate special ethereal oils as a way to defend themselves. When we walk through the forest, we breathe those ethereal oils. That way we are strengthening our immunity even more. So, two hours in the pine forest and it has become our mantra,
“Two hours in the pine forest, two months of immunity!”
Really the keyword against the viruses is not to hide but to fight with your immunity. You know how they say 90% of the people are asymptomatic - no symptoms at all - Why? Because they have strong immunity. They have those antibodies. So if your immunity is strong, if you walk through the forest, if you have, let's say the home machines that can generate negative ions if you eat right if you drink right, good pH, so if you drink anything below seven on pH, it is not good. For example, Coke is number three. It is an ideal environment for viruses and bacteria. But if you drink above seven, which is Alkaline food or drinks, it is good for your body.
We are, what we think, we are, what we drink, we are, what we eat, we are, where we walk, we are, how we talk to the others. Once we raise all these things to a higher level, once we start vibrating higher, no need to fear anything, including viruses.
What are the possibilities for volunteering and participating in the excavations at the Bosnian pyramids?
The beauty of this project is that it is different than any other project. You cannot go to Egypt, Peru or China and start digging pyramids. You have to be part of a real closed and elite circle. In our case, everyone is welcome. Experience, no experience, housewife, students, different professions, retired people, everyone is welcome. On our website, Bosnian Pyramids of the Sun (click here) people can find information. Of course, this year is a little bit stricter because of the Coronavirus. But until last year and hopefully starting next year, people start coming from May through October. They can come for a week, for a couple of weeks, for three or four weeks; there are different programs. They can come through our program, or if they have experience or have been here earlier, they simply find the accommodation. We have our calendar from Monday through Friday, nine to three o'clock. They join our teams with archaeologists and geologists, and we usually work in the tunnels. We have six entrances to pre-historical tunnels. Usually, three or four of them are active; they can work on the pyramids, exploring, finding, the oldest concrete blocks in the world. And on the weekends, they have a lot of fun; they share their experiences; they can meditate as much as they can; this is one of the most important activities for them, and they really connect to the higher spheres here. So the physical aspect is important, but spiritual is also very special; and of course, the healing aspect, very important. Through our official website, anyone can read the information and apply.
Interview lead by:
Devi Mohan, Global Ambassador for Mohanji Foundation, Senior Instructor (E-RYT 200) of the Himalayan School of Traditional Yoga (HSTY), and Global President of ACT Foundation, an internationally active charity
Abdul Karim Pareri, visionary, humanitarian, one of the founders of The 4 AM Club Global, the Chairperson, MD of the Pareri Corporation, and the founder of a Global Chamber of Commerce consisting of successful entrepreneurs
Aryan Shiva, the spine and inspiration of the Early Birds Club Teens
Proof read by Vidya Rajagopalan
Edits: TAT editorial team
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